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		<title>By: QIOC-ED/Pablito</title>
		<link>http://westernexperience.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/why-the-rush-towards-cease-fire-give-war-a-chance/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>QIOC-ED/Pablito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>De facto Hamas has already lost, or better I should say that it lost at the beginning. What seems to be actually a little bit strange is the attitude of K. Mashaal, who keeps on to deliver arrogant and at the same time delirious messages oriented towards a suicide solution at the end of the Gaza confrontations.  The credibility of the terrorist organization is in cellar, almost for what concerns its position within the rest of the Arab World. Probably this terrorist organization will desappear, or overtaken by some &quot;next generation terrorist org&quot;.  Now it´s time to concentrate again the attention on Iran, whose nuclear programm seems to proceed quiclky enough to be cause of worries for the next few months. It seems to me as someone is on the right way to lose the war after losing the battle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De facto Hamas has already lost, or better I should say that it lost at the beginning. What seems to be actually a little bit strange is the attitude of K. Mashaal, who keeps on to deliver arrogant and at the same time delirious messages oriented towards a suicide solution at the end of the Gaza confrontations.  The credibility of the terrorist organization is in cellar, almost for what concerns its position within the rest of the Arab World. Probably this terrorist organization will desappear, or overtaken by some &#8220;next generation terrorist org&#8221;.  Now it´s time to concentrate again the attention on Iran, whose nuclear programm seems to proceed quiclky enough to be cause of worries for the next few months. It seems to me as someone is on the right way to lose the war after losing the battle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the added info, Courtney. Maybe I should have emailed you before I starting writing it!

We should know by the end of this week what is next for Hamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the added info, Courtney. Maybe I should have emailed you before I starting writing it!</p>
<p>We should know by the end of this week what is next for Hamas.</p>
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		<title>By: courtneyme109</title>
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		<dc:creator>courtneyme109</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right again Jason. HAMAS needs to be destroyed. Tote their leaders of the Strip in body bags or rat them out of their civilian rich secret lairs and parade them out of the Strip sans britches (kinda like HAMAS did to Fatah). 

Regime change the Strip, now is not the time to stop!

Six developments brought HAMAS near to breaking point, GrEaT sAtAn&quot;S gIrLfRiEnD&quot;s military sources disclose:

1. Desertions are spreading among the 18,000 rank and file and police officers, who were left out in the open to shoot missiles and rockets and fight off Little Satan, while HAMAS leaders and commanders stayed under cover in bunkers.

Seeing the fading resistance, HAMAS&#039; Grad rocket specialist, Ami Mansi, emerged from hiding Saturday and took over a mortar position against Little Satan&#039;s troops. Quickly identified, he was killed by a helicopter missile with two aides. That night, Al Qaeda&#039;s Gaza commander, Ghassen Maqdad, was killed in Khan Younes in the south.

2. The HAMAS hard corps of fighters, estimated at 3,500 before the war, has suffered painful losses - at least 550 men, including high profile operatives. Little Satan continued to press forward Saturday, disabling HAMAS&#039; bunker hideouts, booby-trapped tunnels and buried passages designed to serve as escape hatches and the abduction of soldiers. Their missile production workshops have been destroyed but HAMASs is not finished yet, say IDF sources.

3. Signaling an intense push ahead, aircraft dropped leaflets over the Strip Saturday with this warning: &quot;The IDF will soon raise the level of attacks on tunnels, weapons caches and terrorists. For your own safety and that of your families, keep your distance from places where terrorists are hiding, active and store weapons.&quot;

4. The commander of Izzedeen al K&#039;Ssam, Muhammad Jabry, has lost his credibility after failing to follow through on his vow that Little Satan would never set foot in Strip City. IDF sources disclose that as of Saturday, the Gazan capital is virtually defenseless after desertions left HAMAS bunkers, defensive tunnels and anti-tank positions unmanned.

HAMAS tacticians have decided to deploy their dwindling manpower to maintain the missile and rocket-fire, which began dipping from 40 Thursday, to 30 Friday and 20 Saturday.

5. The southern town of Rafah is in the same dire straits as Gaza City.

6. The Strip&#039;s population is increasingly estranged from its invisible HAMAS rulers, accusing them of fighting their battles to the last civilian. HAMAS has planted booby-traps, weapons caches and firing positions in private homes, so that civilians take the brunt of explosions and counter-attacks.


Now, Little Satan deploys thousands of reserves into the Strip and talks about &#039;phase 3&quot;

Looks like HAMAS is going down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right again Jason. HAMAS needs to be destroyed. Tote their leaders of the Strip in body bags or rat them out of their civilian rich secret lairs and parade them out of the Strip sans britches (kinda like HAMAS did to Fatah). </p>
<p>Regime change the Strip, now is not the time to stop!</p>
<p>Six developments brought HAMAS near to breaking point, GrEaT sAtAn&#8221;S gIrLfRiEnD&#8221;s military sources disclose:</p>
<p>1. Desertions are spreading among the 18,000 rank and file and police officers, who were left out in the open to shoot missiles and rockets and fight off Little Satan, while HAMAS leaders and commanders stayed under cover in bunkers.</p>
<p>Seeing the fading resistance, HAMAS&#8217; Grad rocket specialist, Ami Mansi, emerged from hiding Saturday and took over a mortar position against Little Satan&#8217;s troops. Quickly identified, he was killed by a helicopter missile with two aides. That night, Al Qaeda&#8217;s Gaza commander, Ghassen Maqdad, was killed in Khan Younes in the south.</p>
<p>2. The HAMAS hard corps of fighters, estimated at 3,500 before the war, has suffered painful losses &#8211; at least 550 men, including high profile operatives. Little Satan continued to press forward Saturday, disabling HAMAS&#8217; bunker hideouts, booby-trapped tunnels and buried passages designed to serve as escape hatches and the abduction of soldiers. Their missile production workshops have been destroyed but HAMASs is not finished yet, say IDF sources.</p>
<p>3. Signaling an intense push ahead, aircraft dropped leaflets over the Strip Saturday with this warning: &#8220;The IDF will soon raise the level of attacks on tunnels, weapons caches and terrorists. For your own safety and that of your families, keep your distance from places where terrorists are hiding, active and store weapons.&#8221;</p>
<p>4. The commander of Izzedeen al K&#8217;Ssam, Muhammad Jabry, has lost his credibility after failing to follow through on his vow that Little Satan would never set foot in Strip City. IDF sources disclose that as of Saturday, the Gazan capital is virtually defenseless after desertions left HAMAS bunkers, defensive tunnels and anti-tank positions unmanned.</p>
<p>HAMAS tacticians have decided to deploy their dwindling manpower to maintain the missile and rocket-fire, which began dipping from 40 Thursday, to 30 Friday and 20 Saturday.</p>
<p>5. The southern town of Rafah is in the same dire straits as Gaza City.</p>
<p>6. The Strip&#8217;s population is increasingly estranged from its invisible HAMAS rulers, accusing them of fighting their battles to the last civilian. HAMAS has planted booby-traps, weapons caches and firing positions in private homes, so that civilians take the brunt of explosions and counter-attacks.</p>
<p>Now, Little Satan deploys thousands of reserves into the Strip and talks about &#8216;phase 3&#8243;</p>
<p>Looks like HAMAS is going down</p>
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		<title>By: Red Spy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay it looks like you found your niche at the new site. This was a very understandable and pointed piece. I enjoyed it and agreed with it. 

The kiddy gloves should have come off long ago. These folks have to be removed from the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay it looks like you found your niche at the new site. This was a very understandable and pointed piece. I enjoyed it and agreed with it. </p>
<p>The kiddy gloves should have come off long ago. These folks have to be removed from the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: DanielS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanielS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, Mike and Dan,

It looks like we all agree here. War sucks and if you are a fan of it and all the horrible things it brings with it, you either need to go to a war zone, or find some hobbies -- like finger painting. 

But war in these circumstances are needed for peace. Opponents who are fundamentally against peace should not be allowed to exist and disrupt the lives of millions of others. 

The world has suffered Hamas and people like them long enough. Let&#039;s see what it is like without them for a change. And according to the latest, Israel is thinking along those lines too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, Mike and Dan,</p>
<p>It looks like we all agree here. War sucks and if you are a fan of it and all the horrible things it brings with it, you either need to go to a war zone, or find some hobbies &#8212; like finger painting. </p>
<p>But war in these circumstances are needed for peace. Opponents who are fundamentally against peace should not be allowed to exist and disrupt the lives of millions of others. </p>
<p>The world has suffered Hamas and people like them long enough. Let&#8217;s see what it is like without them for a change. And according to the latest, Israel is thinking along those lines too.</p>
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		<title>By: DanielS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanielS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give war a chance? The world is too much into yesterday results, rather than playing the waiting games. Take a look at the U.S. government, prime example. I have to agree, Give war a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give war a chance? The world is too much into yesterday results, rather than playing the waiting games. Take a look at the U.S. government, prime example. I have to agree, Give war a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, 

Israel will need to fully exterminate Hamas and then train their guns on Hizbollah. Hardly ever mentioned is the influence these two organizations have of the degradation of the states of Palestine and Lebanon. 

Open dialogue for peace and stability can sometimes be accomplished between countries. It will never be attained so long as their are shadow governments run by terrorists undermining the processes. 

Permanent extermination of these vermin is the only path to a &quot;possible peace&quot; in the area.  We also have to remember when a void appears there is always someone or something else to to fill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, </p>
<p>Israel will need to fully exterminate Hamas and then train their guns on Hizbollah. Hardly ever mentioned is the influence these two organizations have of the degradation of the states of Palestine and Lebanon. </p>
<p>Open dialogue for peace and stability can sometimes be accomplished between countries. It will never be attained so long as their are shadow governments run by terrorists undermining the processes. </p>
<p>Permanent extermination of these vermin is the only path to a &#8220;possible peace&#8221; in the area.  We also have to remember when a void appears there is always someone or something else to to fill it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, you are exactly right in that we need to &quot;give war a chance&quot; (I take it you&#039;ve heard of or read the P.J. O&#039;Rourke book of the same name?)

This isn&#039;t Lebanon 2006.  Hamas is weaker, and Gaza can be geographically isolated.   As such, Hamas cannot be resupplied.   Hamas angered many in the Arab/Muslim world with it&#039;s rocket attacks, which were seen as a pointless provocation that derailed the &quot;peace process.&quot;   The Israelis have gotten better at the PR war, and are responding to Hamas&#039; propaganda very fast.  Further, the world has caught on to Hamas&#039; double standards and using it&#039;s own civilians as shields and is less sympathetic.  

There&#039;s also the reality that the people of Gaza voted for Hamas.  Not all of them, and the details of the election are complicated and Hamas really won by plurality, but  they were voted into power nevertheless.   And when you vote terrorists into power, don&#039;t be surprised if they act like terrorists, and that eventually your neighbor gets fed up and comes over to bomb you.  

Also, as Matthew Levitt points out, Iran is in this too as a supplier of Hamas.  If Hamas can be defeated Iran is humiliated, if not it&#039;s prestige increases.   

I think that Israel can win this one if it can resist pressure for a cease-fire for another week, maybe even only a few more days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you are exactly right in that we need to &#8220;give war a chance&#8221; (I take it you&#8217;ve heard of or read the P.J. O&#8217;Rourke book of the same name?)</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t Lebanon 2006.  Hamas is weaker, and Gaza can be geographically isolated.   As such, Hamas cannot be resupplied.   Hamas angered many in the Arab/Muslim world with it&#8217;s rocket attacks, which were seen as a pointless provocation that derailed the &#8220;peace process.&#8221;   The Israelis have gotten better at the PR war, and are responding to Hamas&#8217; propaganda very fast.  Further, the world has caught on to Hamas&#8217; double standards and using it&#8217;s own civilians as shields and is less sympathetic.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the reality that the people of Gaza voted for Hamas.  Not all of them, and the details of the election are complicated and Hamas really won by plurality, but  they were voted into power nevertheless.   And when you vote terrorists into power, don&#8217;t be surprised if they act like terrorists, and that eventually your neighbor gets fed up and comes over to bomb you.  </p>
<p>Also, as Matthew Levitt points out, Iran is in this too as a supplier of Hamas.  If Hamas can be defeated Iran is humiliated, if not it&#8217;s prestige increases.   </p>
<p>I think that Israel can win this one if it can resist pressure for a cease-fire for another week, maybe even only a few more days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truth101,

Sometimes it isn&#039;t about conservative or liberal, you know? There are times when it is as simple as...&quot;it is what it is.&quot;

This current conflict needs some finality to it. U.N. sponsored cease fires and the status quo can not deliver. 

I appreciate the comment, truth. Hope you come back. My site is geared towards people like you and I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truth101,</p>
<p>Sometimes it isn&#8217;t about conservative or liberal, you know? There are times when it is as simple as&#8230;&#8221;it is what it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>This current conflict needs some finality to it. U.N. sponsored cease fires and the status quo can not deliver. </p>
<p>I appreciate the comment, truth. Hope you come back. My site is geared towards people like you and I.</p>
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