46 Million and 8.2 Million Uninsured Americans Myths Busted

by Mike

The health care system of the United States, as of 2007, costs $2.4 trillion or 17% of the GDP. So why is it so many seem to go without so much?

For health care reform advocates, that is those who support a government run plan, this number of 46 million uninsured has become a rallying cry for their cause. For those against a government sponsored option, the 46 million has been broken down into subsets-and called propaganda-which greatly decreases the number of Americans who cannot readily afford health care or insurance.

This is going to be an honest attempt at presenting the numbers in a very simple way which might shed a little light on both claims to see where the truth lay.

Those against a government option claim that a larger percentage of people not possessing health care are younger Americans who chose not to purchase it, but can afford it, because they view themselves as healthy enough not to need it or feel it gets in the way of purchasing other items they view as necessities. The other argument often cited is that of millions of illegal immigrants are being counted within the number of uninsured.

Let’s start off with a recent American Spectator article which states,

In 2007, 17.6 million of the uninsured had annual incomes of more than $50,000 and 9.1 million earned more than $75,000.

Factually this is true as a whole. However once you look at the the data in the Census Bureau’s 2007 report on the uninsured and dig, you see a little bit of a different picture.

From the Census Bureau, “Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007.”

The 18-24 year old demographic represents 7,991,000 of the uninsured and the 25-34 year old group comprises the other 10,329,000 of the 17.9 million they are citing. (Page 30 of 84) But the claim that the average yearly incomes of these two groups is $50,000, is not backed up by the Bureau report.

What is is the median income of these two groups represented as a whole averages $31,790/year for the 15-24 group and $51,016/year for the 25-34 group. (Page 15 of 84)

Looking further you see the income to poverty ratio of these two demographics is surprisingly high. (The poverty to income ratio of is the representation of person(s) below, at, or slightly above the poverty line.)

The 18-24 sits at 6,306,000 below, at, or slightly above the poverty line. The 25-34 demographic is 6,704,000 below, at, or slightly above. (Page 24 of 84) So, the total number of people within these two demographics who more than likely cannot afford health insurance is 13,010,000. Keeping in mind that the number of uninsured within these two demographics sits at approximately 18,320,000. By taking the difference of these numbers it leaves you with a deficit of 5,310,000 between those we know cannot afford health care and those who possibly can afford it.

It seems on this point there might be something to consider to the Spectator’s point. However, their numbers are obviously exaggerated.

The non-citizen uninsured claim is far easier to confirm. The Spectator states that,

Just a quick look inside the Census Bureau data shows that 9.7 million of the uninsured are not citizens of the United States.

The Census Bureau actually confirms this number on page 30 of 84. According to their 2007 study, 9,737,000 are non-citizens of the United States.

So what we are left with by this amateurish look at the Census data is the advocate claim of 46 million uninsured reduced by 15,047,000. Leaving us with 30,953,000 Americans who apparently cannot afford health care insurance.

The final claim AmSpec makes is that,

When all these factors are put together, the 2003 BlueCross BlueShield study determined that 8.2 million Americans are actually without coverage for the long haul, because they are too poor to purchase health care but earn too much to qualify for government assistance.

So their number is 8.2 million. I have to respectfully disagree.

On a side bar, you will notice an item of interest on page 30 of 84 the greatest percentage of the uninsured come form median income groups ranging from $25,000 to $75,000 and above. Out of the “46 million persons uninsured,” the combination of all of these median income groups is 32,118,000 people. This leaves 13,539,000 who make under $25,000/year, making up the rest of the uninsured.

By my highly untrained and dull mind, the number of Americans who cannot afford health care apparently sits somewhere between 13.5 million and 30.9 million. As a percentage of the population this is anywhere from about 4.5% to a little over 10%.

Now you can do with these numbers what you like. This is just the data extrapolated from the Bureau, how you want to interpret it or form your opinion is solely up to you.

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31 Responses to 46 Million and 8.2 Million Uninsured Americans Myths Busted

  1. K says:

    We know both sides will lie about every aspect of the plan, the numbers, and the costs.

    And even the supposedly non-partisan evaluators such as the CAO are guessing. And they have to guess; the proposal is too complex and nothing can be determined with confidence.

    I have contended for years that mandating universal coverage makes no sense while we have over ten million residents that don’t want to be identified.

    They may be in the country illegally or they may have just dropped out of the visible economy and be working at cash jobs or otherwise off the books.

    And ten million is a guess. No one thinks it is lower. And it may be much higher.

    Don’t go on wild-goose-chases discussing the number or how accurately the census bureau determines it.

    My conclusion about ObamaCare is this. It will not be stopped by arguing about costs or details. About whether 80 year old Aunt Peggy will get a kidney transplant.

    About whether the national insurance will compete fairly with private insurance. Or whether those with existing plans can keep them. Or whether the government will find savings through efficiency.

    Don’t ever debate whether higher income people should pay a surtax so the plan can begin. Just say no.

    Don’t ever debate whether the rich will be allowed to secure better care at some price. Just say no.

    The effective way to oppose this plan is by refusing to discuss anything except whether everyone will be in it and on equal terms.

    That means everyone in Congress, in the White House, every civil servant, every military family, every local and state employee, every school teacher and union member. Everyone, employed or not. Retired and aged, the full lot.

    Rich man, poor man, beggar man, politician.

    The exception would be for military active duty. The armed forces have a legitimate need to handle casualties and other military related injuries without worrying about the civilian system.

  2. Mike says:

    K,

    Yes, we know that both sides will lie, however, do most Americans and will they simply accept what is spoon fed to them by those with with agendas who twist and distort facts?

    This debate started out with the idea there are 46 million Americans whom do not health insurance and evolved from there. That number is factually wrong as is the 8.2 million.

    So how can we diagnose and come up with a reasonable fix for health care that is both affordable and wise if we start the debate of with numbers which already flawed due to agenda. It stands to reason that any thing offered as a solution after that is going to be riddled with disinformation and probably not the best fix.

    On the non-citizen/illegal immigrant point, I trust the Census data that the number that they count as uninsured is 9.7 million. Nevertheless, I am sure there is a statistical anomaly in that count also, it might be slightly higher or it might be slightly lower. But, If I didn’ t think their data was good enough to apply I wouldn’t have used it.

    On your final point about debating this on equal footing. I agree. Though we all know this is not about egalitarianism. The only conclusion I can draw that this situation is like most things where the government is concerned, it seems it is about expansion their sphere of control.

  3. K says:

    Mike: You are right, there are other ways to oppose this plan. I was trying to toss in food for alternative thinking.

    We should take the Democrats and other liberals at their word and demand that everyone be treated as equals. No second or third classes on the medical care cruise, all first class and with no options.

    There is nothing they want less.

    The beauty of Obama’s strategy is that it divides the opposition by telling each person what they want to hear.

    It promises insurance to those with none, and without premiums if paying them would be difficult.

    It promises those with good medical insurance that they will still have that.

    And it promises the wealthy that they can continue to have any quality of care they are willing to pay for.

    Those with an activist bent are told that the evil profits will be removed from medical insurance, from drug companies. Doctors won’t be allowed to order unneeded tests.

    Those with an intellectual bent hear that bright people – exactly like themselves – have it all figured out this time. The age of social justice looms.

    The young are promised that the nation will be a nicer and fairer place. Debt? Not a chance, this plan will practically pay for itself.

    The young see that Social Security is faltering, Medicare is faltering, and the economy is faltering. They want change to be focused on keeping them security for the decades ahead. And that is exactly what they are promised.

    Almost all government related workers and retirees and organized union workers have very good plans they expect to keep. So they have no reason to oppose it. Besides it sounds OK for other people; some less prosperous distant relative might benefit.

    It promises, promises, promises, and promises.

    The one thing it does not promise is equality and a forced leveling. Demand that. Insist you are consumed with pain at the slightest hint that all men are not equal.

    And insist equality can only mean no one pays any premiums. For some could more easily afford the premium than others. Thus, however it is funded the money must be from other revenues.

  4. My, what cynicism. I find that sort of attitude disheartening, not to mention inaccurate.

    Both sides are not lying, it just depends on how you look at it. For example, the left wants to count illegal aliens in their numbers, the right does not. Neither side is lying, it just depends on whether you think they should be insured or not.

    As for how to stop Obamacare, no one set of arguments will work with everyone. Everybody has their hot buttons, and you discuss with them what concerns them most. If you’ve ever been in sales, it’s called “qualifying the customer.”

    So some people will be impressed with arguments based on costs and details. Yet others simply do not want the government to dictate their insurance plan to them. Others want equality. On and on.

    But either way, it sounds like we’re all on the same page here.

  5. It’s good to clarify the real meaning behind statistics that are too casually thrown around in the debate, as you have done. But I also agree with K: Whether the number of people who cannot afford health insurance is 6 or 60 million, to me is not the point. We all agree health care is too expensive, but there is great disagreement on what to do about it. I could not support ObamaCare no matter how many people might be helped by it in the short-to-medium term, because it would have a very negative effect for everyone in the long term. Again I return to the pie analogy: You can cut up the pie any way you like, but if your actions cause the pie to become smaller and smaller, eventually everybody goes hungry.

  6. Mike says:

    K and Tom- I think I can answer both of your comments in one post. This was not about being for or against Obamacare. I personally am totally against any state run health care in any form. However, if the federal government is going to craft legislation that will effect the health care system then shouldn’t they do it with the correct ifnromation and not talking points?

    When you are going to engineer something one of the very first phases of construction is the land survey which gathers data that guides construction. If any of that data is is incorrect or does not properly represent the features the design will be flawed. It is the same when you engineer policy.

    Tom-If they twist the numbers to represent it being too high or too low that is disingenuous. Thereby giving a false impression or appearance. Where I come from that is a lie and calling them liars is not being cynical, it is being truthful.

  7. K says:

    Good afternoon: I see little to comment about except perhaps with Tom. And I believe that is mostly misunderstanding.

    I didn’t intend to say that both sides will be lying about every single fact and every single time. It was meant to be a more general remark to the effect that this health care initiative pushes all the chips into the pot. The stakes are enormous.

    I cannot see how anyone who is concerned about the footprint of American government would think ObamaCare is about either health or medicine.

    In this fight every rascal of either party or of neither party is going to supply whatever numbers and words might bring victory.

    But not all people are rascals. Honest people are trying to use honest numbers too. This time they are at a great disadvantage because the honest numbers are guesses too. And the structure of a national health system is beyond a layman’s ability to analyze anyway.

    The layman is not too dumb, it is the scope and complexity and very nature of the task which defeats confidence. It defies analysts with the best training.

    And it will continue to defy them because their spreadsheets and formulas are not important. The starting assumptions and constraints are.

    The assumptions and constraints which precede the analysis and the synthesis must select among core beliefs about individual rights, group rights, choices, who may make them, and the allocation of finite resources.

    That is rather abstract so this may illustrate what I mean:

    (1) Will there be any differences in the plan for illegal aliens and citizens.

    (2) Will medical personnel be required to participate or can they continue to selectively choose which insurance they will deal with.

    (3) Is this to be an Entitlement or a service controlled by appropriations?

    Some may be disappointed by cynicism. I am disappointed by those who accept that Washington will be crafting more legislation on the matter at all.

    I think the record shows the federal government cares nothing about correct information, it cares about dominating.

    And I won’t debate whether that began with Bush, is a quality somehow unique to this Congress and this President, or is a natural feature of government just as an oak tree naturally sprouts leaves.

    The chosen tactic for this bill is “divide to rule” by promising as many as possible what they want to hear.

    All the methods are at work: Control the debate, create the idea this is inevitable, that delay is somehow disastrous, that opponents are stupid or selfish.

    And those opponents must be yoked, costs will not fall on good people. The culprits are those with high incomes, drug companies, insurance companies, etc. They deserve the whip and by all that is Holy they will feel it.

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  10. MWB says:

    8 Million, 80 Million, what difference does it make when people that are sick need care. It should not come down to what they have in their wallet. We are not talking about yachts or mansions or diamonds. The grocery clerk or the CEO are both equally entitled to cancer screenings, organ transplants, dental care etc. Should they all drive a Bentley? NO! Is one guy more worthy of a working kidney? NO! The belief of superiority and entitlement due to material wealth is obvious to the point of being disturbing. I propose a system where the individuals that work the most hours and receive the lowest wages should receive the highest level of health care, and those that work the least and earn the most receive little or no health care. Would that cause all the trust fund babies to surrender their fortunes? NO! Would they protest wildly that it was unfair to deny them the ability to have medical attention based solely on their economic status? YES!
    The only moral solution is a nationalized system, funded by everyone. For most, the money contributed will be to benefit someone we never met. I would hope to be one that does not get my money’s worth back in services, and I would feel sorrow for those that get more than their money’s worth.

  11. Mike says:

    “The only moral solution is a nationalized system, funded by everyone.”

    What a quaint idea ripped right from the pages of Sir/Saint Thomas More’s Utopia.

    However, that idea, like More’s book is not reality. Many people who are among the uninsured have the money to pay for health care coverage. It is not my nor your responsibility that they choose not to buy it.

    Another point is that we already have a state run insurance option, it is called Medicaid and it is nearly broke due to mismanagement by the government. So why on God’s green earth is it logical to not only expand on Medicaid, but create another abortion that is government run insurance option?

    Do you realize what this could do to everyone? Have you thought further into the morality of the issue? In the quest to “feel good” you are damning tens of millions of others to the same fate as the poor we have presently. Is this your moral equivalence?

    Fixing health care is what matters not fixing health care insurance. In case you haven’t noticed our medical system is in dire need of an overhaul. Repairing health care insurance is like getting your car painted after the engine has blown up and thinking the new paint job will make it run better.

    Thank you for commenting and at least caring enough to post your thoughts, even if I disagree.

  12. MWB – What you are proposing is naked socialism. The inevitable end result of your system would be a reduction in both quality and availability of care, for everyone. You would achieve your goal of economic leveling by making everyone worse off.

    If you are a healthy person and have insurance you are already subsidizing the health care of those who are poorer and sicker than you. So if that’s the way you think it should work, you should be happy with the current system.

    You have fallen victim to the spurious notion – widely promoted by the main stream media – that everyone has a “right” to health care. Such an idea would have been absurd only a few decades ago. In fact, in a free market, democratic society what everyone should have is not equal health care, but equal opportunity to access health care. We should work to reduce costs throughout the system so that poorer people can afford to pay for a basic level of health care, and have affordable insurance plans that cover catastrophic care only.

  13. MWB says:

    Would it makes sense to you if only a privileged class of Americans could have their food inspected, and only if you could afford it would a fire engine roll up to your burning home, or if you called the police to report a crime they checked to make sure you were current on your payments.

    Health is an essential element to human happiness, and all people should have an equal ability to be happy, and to live the fullest life possible, and our government should provide for that. If you believe that sounds too much like a bleeding heart liberal, or better yet, a socialist, please read the writings of one of my favorite authors, who once said;

    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

  14. Mike says:

    Yup and the very same man who authored that beautiful document said,

    “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.”

  15. MWB – Once again, you confuse equality of opportunity, which is what the Founding Fathers championed, with equality of result, which is the goal of socialism. Jefferson said that men have the right to the *pursuit* of happiness – not a right to guaranteed happiness provided by an all-powerful federal government. In fact, Jefferson was a states’ rights advocate who felt that power should be kept at the state and local level rather than at the federal level. So let me assure you your “favorite author” would be totally and unalterably opposed to the kind of system you’re advocating.

    The only area where you have a point is that the right to life does include the right to emergency medical care. Which is currently provided to everybody whether you have health insurance or not. So to the extent there is any kind of “right” to health care, it’s already being provided.

  16. Jason says:

    Sanity I see that you like picking on the slow kids. :)

    MWB. In short: Guaranteed opportunity. Not guaranteed equal outcomes.

  17. Sean says:

    More Red Herrings… Those points are so easily refuted when one just looks at the facts.

  18. MWB says:

    My personal health care has always been superb, ever since my days in the military up to my current employer paid plan. I am fortunate to be able to provide for my family and contribute to society. However, I realize that much of my good fortune is due to circumstances completely out of my control. Having a caring and supportive family, physical fitness, a fully functioning mind (Jason would disagree), being attractive enough to catch the eye of the most beautiful woman in the world, and having enough sense to marry her, are amongst a few of the many things that I had nothing to do with, but have impacted my life in an extremely positive way.

    I am fully aware that some are given gifts and throw them away, (that’s a metaphor Jason), but, some have drawn a few short straws and deal with it as best they can. To say that these people should be gracious because they can get emergency care when needed is an argument I often encounter when debating friends and family, (and the Jasons of the world).
    I think you would have to be completely ignorant not know that most diseases, especially cancers, are far more survivable when detected and treated early. Many of these diseases show little or no symptoms until it has progressed to a point that makes treating it successfully far more painful, and the worst part for a right winger, far more expensive.

    I personally lost a very special person to Melanoma, (that’s skin cancer Jason), that progressed too far before it was detected. She worked retail. Long hours, weekends, holidays, low pay and no health care plan. She was 30. Her suffering was indescribable. If health care for everyone can stop just a few from that kind of suffering and we do not act, we should be ashamed.

  19. Mike says:

    Your personal story is like many I have heard and personally experienced, I am truly sorry for your loss. However, this is debate is not about universal health care, it is about universal insurance. And insurance would not have saved your loved one had she had it since as you stated, “that progressed too far before it was detected.”

    This is the issue MWB, not insurance, real health care reform. But far too many on both sides are only interested in political posturing for future elections or a gross expansion of their power while in office. It is that simple whether those on the Right or Left care to hear it. One third of the Left and one third of the Right are controlling this debate and the ones who are left over have no access to the real information.

    That is what this blog post was about, not about whether the number was 8 million or 80 million uninsured. Just the fact that one side or the other will use a number they see fit to fit their political expedience. That $HI# is not going to work anymore. The game has gotten to serious and their is far to much at stake.

    Our leaders ride the coattails of personality acting like political infants, our academics are absorbed with self-importance and arrogance, and our partisans are so hardened they want to hear no other narrative but their own.

    Then there are those like yourself, and this is not meant as a criticism, just an observation, whose life is seen through the lens of your personal experience and the emotion it invokes. You always have to consider how your wants and needs effect those around you and those not around you.

    Your statement, “If health care for everyone can stop just a few from that kind of suffering and we do not act, we should be ashamed.” Not only no, but “Hell, no!”

    Your “fix” may not cost you, it may not cost me, but it will inevitably cost those who are too young to know any better and those who are not even here yet. And the price will be far to expensive for them to be able to pay while receiving absolutely nothing on their return.

    Now I ask you, “What do you think will happen because we made a knee jerk reaction based on emotion, without debate, without the correct information, without identifying the correct problems, or without coming up with the correct solutions? What will happen is what happens every time when you undertake journeys like this one. They fail miserably, cause more pain than they were intended to stop, and wreak havoc.

    If we don’t start facing up to this reality and change our course then this is the future we will be dooming our country and our children too. That MWB, is the real reason to be ashamed, no other.

  20. Jason says:

    MWB, come on go easy on making me feel like a real bag. It was a joke, meant for you to read. If I was wanting to be ugly I would have commented differently. Though, I don’t do that. I made a pointed comment and you responded by making some generalizations about me. Are we even now?

    I’m sorry about your friend. That is a horrible story. No one likes hearing about those. Just because you disagree on this topic, or maybe even she would have too, doesn’t make you an enemy, stupid, slow, or a socialist.

    But, listen I know of people who received free healthcare in my state who have suffered similar fates. It is truly despicable how some people have been treated by caring professionals and free healthcare.

  21. MWB says:

    Jason, No one MAKES you feel a certain way, you choose to react that way. A concept that once understood can dramatically change your life.
    For example;
    Your post implying that I was a half wit actually made me feel smarter. Relatively speaking.

    Mike, your point to the gross expansion of power and posturing to stay in power applies to corporations just as it does to politicians. The insurance companies yield far more power than most Americans, including myself, truly comprehend. Combined with the fact that by law, the ultimate responsibility of a corporation is to provide a profit to its shareholders and you have bad news for those at the bottom rungs of the ladder. If any company in my stock portfolio, (yes I am a capitalist) stated in their quarterly report that they were losing money because they wanted to help their friends that couldn’t afford their product/service I would sell the stock and probably join the upcoming class action suit.

    This issue has to be separate from the economic principles that corporations must adhere to in order to sustain a viable economy. As a successful salesman, I negotiate price with my clients with my best interest at heart. I provide them with the finest product and service, but I make them pay dearly. I make no apology, and while some opt to do business with a lower price competitor, I have a consistently growing client base due to the reputation of quality. Occasionally, I have to make the uncomfortable decision to “fire the client”. A customer that becomes too high maintenance. In my business, where time is money, that usually means they demand an unmanageable amount of hand holding and become extremely unprofitable.
    It isn’t often, but it happens.
    The point being, that as a profit driven industry, quality health care for the poor or chronically ill is impossible. That would be like asking me to spend my time servicing those that can’t afford my product/service and the few that would slowly squeeze the life out of me, instead of the ones that are more than happy to pay my premium rate for premium goods and services.
    With health insurance, the opposite is true. The ones that most need the goods and services are the ones that are least able to afford it, or are the most likely to be the most costly customer.

    Of course the insurance industry is attacking with all guns blazing, and their representatives are providing the platform to push the message, because the system is driven by corporate funding, and incestuous relationships. Lawmakers get hired as corporate execs, and execs become lawmakers, and the beast feeds itself into obesity.

    “the price will be far to expensive for them to be able to pay while receiving absolutely nothing on their return.”
    In my earlier post, I recognize that some will pay and receive little or no return, except for the fact that they had excellent health. A reward that no treasure can replace. As for the expense, we as a nation are already number one in health care costs in relation to GDP.

    My faith in America leaves no doubt that a solution is possible. Even more compelling is the fact that other countries are making it work. Not perfectly, but working. America has always been a country of innovation and perseverance.
    From government endeavors, like the Apollo missions, to private industry, such as Bell Labs
    waiting for the perfect system was never part of the process. My products are not perfect, and I certainly am not, but everyday I try to be better than I was yesterday, and better than my competition will be tomorrow. I know it sounds hokey, but it is basically that easy.
    Our future health system will have problems. Probably big ones. But, we will have at least gathered up the courage to bring about positive change.

  22. Jason says:

    MWB, now you’re being a real tool. I told you it was a joke. Lighten up. I am sure you are a very handsome and brilliant professor.

  23. Mike says:

    MWB, I have never disregarded the power of corporations or claimed that they are anything by profit driven entities.

    But I don’t ever recall a company with the power to become dictatorial and potentially run the lives of every man, woman, and child within a country. To even think corporate America, which has to sneak around regulations and oversight, has the power the government possesses is naieve. Americans can chose not to purchase a company’s effectively shutting it down.

    See what happens the next time you try not to pay your taxes. You hauled in front of a judge, more than likely found guilty, penalized financially, and thrown in jail. The government has the law on their side, corporations do not.

    With that being said I am not against some government intervention in health care. You seem to have the impression that I am a full bore free marketer. That is an impression I think you might have garnered by not exploring the things I have written on the topic. All of this suited for another discussion though.

    The simple fact is anything this expansive is expensive will be thoroughly mismanaged by a government entity. The government has shown in the past they are incapable of managing a health care system which currently takes care of about 45 million Americans and it is insolvent. Now you want to add another 11 million to its roles and the public option for government sponsored insurance to the mix. Based on the historical evidence from the past what do you think is going to happen in 5-10 years?

    We will all be thinking, “What in the hell did we do?”

    As I wrote elsewhere a collaborative effort by all is needed to come up with some better ideas and we need to start concentrating on the REAL problems that we have with health care.

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  26. Kevin says:

    I just want to know if we are counting the same people twice. As far as I know we increased cigarette tax to cover the children for health care. That included up to I believe children 25 if they were still in school. Are these not also counted in the 30 to 46 million? Also how many are criminals and thugs, they will not get health care anyway so why should it be offered. Also jails have free health care…it is time that jails make some headway on being self sufficient I am tired of paying for those that take from all of us and then we have to care for them while in jail. Hell make the jails green make everyone in jail ride a stationary bike and generate electricity from prisons. Seriously prisons would not compete against business if they were power generators that sold the electricity to power companies…….green energy could come from prisoners :-)

  27. Mike says:

    Lol!!! At least somebody is offering some ideas!!!

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  29. James Elser says:

    I liked the approach to your article. But I think you could have taken it further. The average family size according to the last census is slightly over 4 people. For the sake of simple, tow adults two children. So the approx. 30 million people actually is 7.5 million families. 15 million children who are presently being provided medical insurance through the State medical programs funded by medicare. The number based on this adjustment drops to a max of 15 million or less than 5% of the population. What is driving this issues is the S.S.-medicare balloon mortgage that is coming due in 2015 or 2016 depending on who you want to believe. These folks who have not paid anything in to either program are at risk for having the funding cut off; and then we do really have 30 million uninsured Americans.

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